"A bible a day keeps the logic away?" Let us examine the arguments you
have given in support of the bible being illogical. Of which are borrowed
from more than likely the web or a fellow atheist. It is clear you have
not seriously studied the subjects of "origins" or your belief system.
What you do engage in is support of your beliefs no matter the facts,
contradictions, or errors in logic. Which is no better than saying " my
school is better than your school" with no statistical proof , just the
belief that because you are there ,that makes it better. No reference or
basis in fact for this belief ,which makes that a LOGICAL FALLACY. If
you were willing to look at this debate from a reasonable position, you
would clearly see that there are some facts that need answered. No
matter the information given ,you just dismiss it ,with no unbiased
investigation. Close-mindedness is not only dangerous but defies LOGIC.
Please do not even attempt to say that I am close -minded, because I have
proven time and time again that if wrong about a certain belief in light
of facts to the contrary I ALWAYS adopt what is true NO MATTER the
presupposition. Now I urge you look at these answers given , ponder them
and ask yourself is this fleeting moment on earth DOING WHAT YOU WANT
really worth ETERNAL HELL? Take seriously what I tell you and investigate
all info, and not just dismiss.
1."So you say that everything must come from somewhere? Where did God
come from? Does God have a mother?"
Well to this I would answer that we know of only two possible theories
of "origins" , evolution or creation.(If you are one that says that we
were placed here by Aliens then evolution is only moved to a different
time and place.) Neither of these can be observed today. Creation
happened once, and evolution is so slow that we can not reasonably say
that it can be observed. ( An experiment was conducted on fruit flies
where, new generations are very frequent compared to humans. The flies
were also subjected to radiation to induce hopefully a positive mutation
and after thousands of generations nothing note worthy has happened) Some
interesting questions and thoughts come to mind on this subject of
origins that I would like to share with you . It is very note worthy that
NO EVOLUTIONIST has EVER accepted the challenge to enter a formal WRITTEN
debate on the subject of origins and it is rare to catch one live in
front an audience. Although they do happen I just attended one in
Winchester , Virginia between Duane Gish, and Massimo Pigliucci ,to be
honest the debate was closer than I had expected but none the less
Massimo committed grave LOGICAL FALLACIES, like appealing to adaptation
as evidence for evolution and trying to sell the theory of evolution as
just as creditable as the theory of gravity. The theory of gravity?? I
thought Isaac Newton established the GRAVITATIONAL LAW long ago? Yes he
did! So Massimo tried to deceive? Yes he did! It makes it a law when it
can be tested in a lab,gravity can be tested anytime anywhere! Duane is
82 and is very shape but new blood needs to tackle the job of formal
debate. Do not misunderstand Duane won hands down but did not point out
some errors Massimo made .Now back to the task at hand. I do have some
more questions for you about evolution. 1.We are told by science that we
evolved from smaller less complex organisms ,yet to the contrary we see
only a small handful of very controversial ,questionable transitions in
the fossil record. Instead of the billions of transitions we should have
,we have a few that even evolutionists say that they are poor examples if
we really did evolve. Many evolutionists also admit that the fossil
record leaves them wanting BIG TIME! 2. If the solar system really did
evolve ,why do we have 3 planets which spin backwards? Better yet tell me
the last time you witnessed a giant explosion and noticed enormous
complexity as a result? Sound crazy? Well that is what we are told took
place, "the BIG BANG" .To top even that one show me where life was the
result of a lightning strike? Again evolutionists want us to believe that
the basic chemicals essential for life just happened to floating along
one day in what has been called primordial stew and ZAPP!!! Now from that
we have life and from that lightning strike we get all( eventually) life
forms male and female. That takes real FAITH unequalled in all
Christendom combined. 3 How about the first cause of matter? where did
space come from? or how about Matter itself, where did it come from?
Steven Hawkins on his best day is still baffled by that! How about
energy!? Where did it come from? 4. Another question for
evolutionist,Which came first, DNA or the proteins needed by DNA-- Which
can only be produced by DNA. I could go on and on but I think these will
occupy enough time. It is my guess that you will merely reconcile these
questions with your belief rather than face the truth. Truth hurts Jen
there is a hell, and a heaven. So as far as your first question the first
cause for matter is much more LOGICALLY explained " God Spoke". As for
the question " Does God have a mother?" We only have Scripture to speak
on that subject ,If God wanted us to worship it says that He has ALWAYS
been and will ALWAYS BE !. I can trust that this is the case since the
bible is perfect without error and can be trusted to speak with authority
on the subject of God that is what it says. As far as the bible and it
being inerrant we will cover that a little later.
As for the second question" If God wanted us to worship him,why did he
make it look convincingly like he does not exist and evolution took
place?" To say that he made "it look convincingly like evolution took
place" would be a matter of opinion shaped by the presupposition idea of
evolution taught by our secular humanist institutions ,namely local
school systems. Of which these teach as fact ,evolution. But it is far
from truth. By the way saying God made it look like evolution took place
because of a particular presupposition is a LOGICAL FALLACY! Next
question!!! "If the universe was created 6,000 years ago,why do we see
galaxies that are 8 billion light years away? ( If you say God sped up
light, why did he want to make the universe appear to be billions and
billions of years old) Once again an evolutionist presupposition is the
mind set blurting questions of which you already are convinced there are
no answers for. But to the contrary there are many,many answers . 1 I am
going to paraphrase from Scott M. Huse's book "The Collapse of
Evolution" pg 72-76. Many evidences of a young Galaxy are out there if
you were truly after "truth" you would have at least read one of many
books on these related subjects. Well Jen at the rate I have been
writing this it appears I am not going to get to all the answers . I am
sending this incomplete. But one thing rings clear ,your mind is closed
and it is clear from this prospective that " NO BIBLE IN THE DAY KEEPS
THE LOGIC AWAY" Please read Scott M. Huse's book and get back to me if
you are really interested .
MIKE
I tried to read this. Really I did. It just didn't work out for me. I won't even try to count how many times the word "logic" came up. This guy is enough to nauseate Spock. Anyhow, I didn't bother to reply to this. I don't think I ever will. I don't see how it will change anything, as much of what he says is lies and part of it is true. He can try to change what I think is true but I'm telling you, it's not going to happen. I simply cannot be led to believe that the bible is 100% true. It's just not happening. And if he can't change my mind on that one simple fact, there's no need to continue even thinking about this. Hasta la vista, christ-boy.